more stuff

[jimbob92c]

As well as our '99 Vic, I'm going to toss out a couple more items we have
up for sale. Who knows?...someone might be interested.

1948 John Deere A, runs, three point hitch, old style farmer one cylinder
lift bucket ( with a snow bucket and smaller toothed (hay? manure?) styled
bucket.), extra parts.

1995 26' Macgregor sailboat. 6 horse Johnson, main sail, jib, genoa, and spinnaker, sail covers. trailerable sailboat with drop down keel and rudder, water ballast.
lots of custom work inside, stove, nova compass, stereo, ratheon radio, portable biffy ( in its own compartment), plus a bunch of extras. nice boat.
pictures available.

let me know if anyone may be interested......

Jimbob
riceriver254@hotmail.com

[jimbob92c]

Here's an update.
My Dad is taking the John Deere. My wife and I have decided that the sailboat is not for sale. With Bush back in the White House this may be our only means of escape.


Jim (hee hee) Bob

[Old-timer]

Maybe you could use the boat to import some more of those sour grapes. HeHe

[Sparky_Bill]

Maybe you could use the boat to import some more of those sour grapes. HeHe

Here are some thing for you to snack on. I do not call them sour grapes but just the facts.

The New York Times

By MAUREEN DOWD
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Published: November 4, 2004

WASHINGTON

With the ?????????? Party splattered at his feet in little blue puddles, John Kerry told the crushed crowd at Faneuil Hall in Boston about his concession call to President Bush.

"We had a good conversation," the senator said. "And we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today I hope that we can begin the healing.&quotDemocrat: Heal thyself.

W. doesn't see division as a danger. He sees it as a wingman.

The president got re-elected by dividing the country along fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule. He doesn't want to heal rifts; he wants to bring any riffraff who disagree to heel.

W. ran a jihad in America so he can fight one in Iraq - drawing a devoted flock of evangelicals, or "values voters," as they call themselves, to the polls by opposing abortion, suffocating stem cell research and supporting a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Mr. Bush, whose administration drummed up fake evidence to trick us into war with Iraq, sticking our troops in an immoral position with no exit strategy, won on "moral issues."

The president says he's "humbled" and wants to reach out to the whole country. What humbug. The Bushes are always gracious until they don't get their way. If W. didn't reach out after the last election, which he barely grabbed, why would he reach out now that he has what Dick Cheney calls a "broad, nationwide victory"?

While Mr. Bush was making his little speech about reaching out, Republicans said they had "the green light" to pursue their ???????????? agenda, like drilling in Alaska's wilderness and rewriting the tax code.

"He'll be a lot more aggressive in Iraq now," one Bush insider predicts. "He'll raze Falluja if he has to. He feels that the election results endorsed his version of the war." Never mind that the more insurgents American troops kill, the more they create.

Just listen to Dick (Oh, lordy, is this cuckoo clock still vice president?) Cheney, introducing the Man for his victory speech: "This has been a consequential presidency which has revitalized our economy and reasserted a confident American role in the world." Well, it has revitalized the Halliburton segment of the economy, anyhow. And "confident" is not the first word that comes to mind for the foreign policy of a country that has alienated everyone except Fiji.

Vice continued, "Now we move forward to serve and to guard the country we love." Only Dick Cheney can make "to serve and to guard" sound like "to rape and to pillage."

He's creating the sort of "democracy" he likes. One party controls all power in the country. One network serves as state TV. One nation dominates the world as a hyperpower. One firm controls contracts in Iraq.

Just as Zell Miller was so over the top at the G.O.P. convention that he made Mr. Cheney seem reasonable, so several new members of Congress will make W. seem moderate.

Tom Coburn, the new senator from Oklahoma, has advocated the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions and warned that "the gay agenda" would undermine the country. He also characterized his race as a choice between "good and evil" and said he had heard there was "rampant lesbianism" in Oklahoma schools.

Jim DeMint, the new senator from South Carolina, said during his campaign that he supported a state G.O.P. platform plank banning gays from teaching in public schools. He explained, "I would have given the same answer when asked if a single woman who was pregnant and living with her boyfriend should be hired to teach my third-grade children."

John Thune, who toppled Tom Daschle, is an anti-abortion Christian ???????????? - or "servant leader," as he was hailed in a campaign ad - who supports constitutional amendments banning flag burning and gay marriage.

Seeing the exit polls, the Democrats immediately started talking about values and religion. Their sudden passion for wooing Southern white Christian soldiers may put a crimp in Hillary's 2008 campaign (nothing but a wooden stake would stop it). Meanwhile, the blue puddle is comforting itself with the expectation that this loony bunch will fatally overreach, just as Newt Gingrich did in the 90's.

But with this crowd, it's hard to imagine what would constitute overreaching.

Invading France?

E-mail: liberties@nytimes.com

[Old-timer]

All campaigns are designed to divide the people. How else can anything be decided? I do think that something can be done to try to heal the division for the next four years.

[Sparky_Bill]

All campaigns are designed to divide the people. How else can anything be decided? I do think that something can be done to try to heal the division for the next four years.

Paul Begala
President Bush is one of the most talented dividers in American political history. He skillfully used anti-gay bigotry, the Bible, even war to divide Americans so as to conquer Kerry. He should be congratulated on his triumph, but I have no faith in his ability to unite us after this bitter season of division.

On Wednesday, in his victory speech, Bush called for unity and reached out to supporters of his ?????????? opponent, Sen. John Kerry.

"When we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America," Bush said.

"We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it."

Thursday
"With the campaign over, Americans are expecting a bipartisan effort and results. I will reach out to everyone who shares our goals and I'm eager to start the work ahead," Bush said in a news conference at the Executive Office Building in Washington.

"I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," President Bush said in his first news briefing since winning re-election. Bush outlined his second-term agenda, saying it would focus on economic recovery, fixing the tax code, Social Security and building on education.

What a healer of the division. He said, "I will reach out to everyone who shares our goals". "I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it"

This sure makes me feel better about the next 4 years and beyond from the damage that he can do and sounds like he is going to do with gusto.

The most honest words Bush ever spoke are these: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

[jimbob92c]

Man.....
My heart was dragging on the ground all day Wednesday. I can't believe that the exit polls were all about "morals". Morals? From this President?
Karl Rove is ( and I hate to admit it..) the genius of manipulating side issues,
i.e. anti-gay union amendments, abortion, gun rights, etc., that really just side-track good honest folks from seeing the real agenda. Sorry folks...this is one radical administration and the next 4 years are going to reveal a further unraveling of our civil liberties, gutting of our air and water protections ( keep the fish advisary of 2004 and compare it to the one that comes out in 2008), and who knows what other skirmishes we'll get into overseas now that Mr. Bush feels that the people back his agenda. Bobbi and I were going to buy our apartment now that they are going condo.....
no more...it's time to go back home, stock up, and prepare for what, I believe, is going to be the worst 4 years that this country has ever seen.
If Kerry had been elected I would have felt that we may have a chance to re-establish ourselves as a country who is not the "kick-ass bully/saviour/democracy-liberty liberator" of the world. I would have felt that I may be safe living in a large city. No more.

enough ranting...Ashcroft will probably be calling me soon....

[JoeGopher]

You know, whatever your political leanings are, the negativity that came from both sides does nothing to move the country forward. And, the more the people of the country perpetuate the negativity, the more it drags everyone down.

It's kind of like the economy; the press reports that it's heading down and the spiral only worsens. The press reports good economic news, and before you know it, everyone's talking about recovery.

He may not have been your choice, but he is OUR president. We should do everything we can to make the country better.

[Sparky_Bill]

He may not have been your choice, but he is OUR president. We should do everything we can to make the country better.

Joe you are so right. I think that to make the country better we have to do everything possible in the next four years to stop him from wrecking it beyond repair.

Every news report out there says the war was planned wrong. Just yesterday it became clear from reports from our troops on the ground that looting of those explosise came AFTER the war and they stood and watched as they were not givin the man power to stop it. Now they are being used to kill our men and women. Ill planned!

Largest job loss since the 30's.

Labor & enviromental laws ramsacked like never before.

Tax cuts for the rich.

It's been a shell game. While you look at the gay unions in San Fransico he is stealing you blind.

So what I intend to do over the next 4 years is to expose his every move to do as you said: "We should do everything we can to make the country better."

[JoeGopher]

I didn't mean to have this thread denegrate into a political argument. I think both Bush and Kerry have done more to divide Americans over the past year than Saddam, Al Qaida, and Bin Laden have ever done. It's up to us, and the politicians, to create solutions.

As far as tax breaks for the rich, I was sent a very interesting email the other day that explained things really well:

Tax Cuts Explained

Let's put tax cuts in terms that everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."

So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share'?

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being 'PAID' to eat their meal. So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (29% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)
The tenth now paid $50 instead of $59 (15% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $9!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got nine times more than me!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $9 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction in terms of dollar reduction, but still get the lowest percent reduction.

Now if you want to talk deficits, that's a completely different discussion...

[Butch]

:gunrev: i'm so glad Bush is president :antsy: hell Monica Lewinsky even voted ??????????.She said "Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth" :floor: If that opportunistic,3 times scratched in "da nam" medal tossing horse-faced JFK wannabe would of got in...shudder...If you knew the "trickle down theory"and who really messed up the social security system(guess Democrats,you'd be right).By the way,the middle class did see a tax break under Bush,righting what Clinton had wronged.I don't give a crap about fags or abortions,just don't break the law.Didn't mean to get off on a rant but the opinions i've read here seem onesided and just because some politician keeps spewing lies no matter how many times and with great conviction they are still LIES.Oh yeah Michael Moore is an asshole too

[Old-timer]

Butch, I'm with you all the way. The last ???????? that I voted for was Mondale and he didn't make it because of his honesty. He said he would have to raise taxes and thats what did him in.

[Sparky_Bill]

:gunrev: just because some politician keeps spewing lies no matter how many times and with great conviction they are still LIES.

I agree with you about Bush, but you have to admitt that his lies payed off for him. ;) That is what you meant isn't it or do you get your truths from Rush and Fox? Even his own cabnet is leaving to distance them selves from Dubya. What is the count now? :Pound: If Micheal Moore were to expose my lies then I guess I would think he was and a low life too.

[Butch]

i don't have time for Rush but that gets to another point,the media and the spin they put on it.I could say do you read the Washington Post and we both know thats a leftist point of view just as you asked if i listened to Rush being a rightest point of view.The media by rporting and not reporting news can add fuel to any agenda or position.Where's Kerry now in the news?Dropped like last weeks sunday paper.I've been blessed with good common sense and the ability to look at the big picture unlike Mike Moore who's taken a tragic event,spun it for the college kids to line his pockets with their parents money.Changes in cabinets are common thru out history i don't see a big story there

[JohnnyIron]

If Micheal Moore were to expose my lies then I guess I would think he was and a low life too.

If you think that all Micheal Moore did were to expose GW's lies, and didn't spin things and add his own lies or make things appear different then they really are, then you need to remove those rose colored glasses! :eek:

I am pretty sure that you could make a movie about any president using the same tactics that Moore uses and get the same results.

[Chris 2]

:Pound: Gentleman, your all wrong :) I should have been elected king of this world. and when I am there will be a victory in every garage! :bounce:

[Sparky_Bill]

I am pretty sure that you could make a movie about any president using the same tactics that Moore uses and get the same results.

Well those that wanted to watch Moorse producion had a choice of if they wanted to pay or not to see the show.

On the other hand you talk about how anyone one can make a movie of a president. Hmmmm I really got tired of paying for Ken Starr to be on the news night after night with his producion where produced a 70-80 million dollar taxpayer show. And what did we as taxpayers get out of that. Ken Starr was able to tell us after spending 70+ millions dollars of our money (without my choice) that Bill Clinton got a BJ in the White House.

I think that anyone who viewed the Michael Moore movie learned a lot more about our current president. But if you did not want to know about Dubya then you did not have to pay. But I had to pay for Ken Starr's show, I had no choice.

PS I hate people who smirk. They can not be trusted in my opinion. Both Ken Starr and Duyba have that smirk.

[Sparky_Bill]

:Pound: Gentleman, your all wrong :) I should have been elected king of this world. and when I am there will be a victory in every garage! :bounce:

I already have a Victory in my garage, now if you want my vote, give me unsalted roads to ride, AND free of ice. :antsy:

[Chris 2]

Sparky, I wish I could ,but then I would have to be king of this universe, and we all know its not nice to fool around with Mother nature,. :lol:

[JoeGopher]

I think that anyone who viewed the Michael Moore movie learned a lot more about our current president. But if you did not want to know about Dubya then you did not have to pay. But I had to pay for Ken Starr's show, I had no choice.

The only problem I had with Moore's movie is that it was presented as a Documentary. Documentary's imply that everything presented is fact, or at least an interpretation of fact. Moore created the story to present what He wanted people to see, not an un-biased presentation. Don't get me wrong, there are many things that GWB has done that I completely disagree with, but that movie was more spin and half-truths than the nightly news.

As for the Ken Starr show, I am completely with you on that. Who gives a rat's ass what Clinton did. He was a good president, all things considered, and if he had an affair, that's something he and Hillary have to deal with (I surely wouldn't want to come home to that after revealing I had a little extra-curricular activity). But the sad fact is, we taxpayers pay for many things we don't agree with. We have a voice in all of these matters by contacting our representatives in the house and senate, and I encourage everyone to do so.

[Chris 2]

Since Bush has been president we can talk about lost jobs, poor economy, biggest national debt since the depression, so on so forth, more soldiers dying AFTER the war was declared a success,and next Bush is gonna try and push a national right to work law, Well if he does there goes how many pensions lower wages for ALL but the very top, I have worked in many right to work states, and you know they just so happen to be the states with the most working poor, after the right to work law was passed all wages went down.More people went without healthcare insurance the standard of living went down for ALL people, But the cost of living stayed the same, so to sum this ranting up, I hope everyone can afford to keep what they have on half of what you make now, oh well...... :mad:

[sstodvictory]

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[ghost]

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Steve, care to trade one of those for a soda? Thanks.

[sks700]

This thread represents the main reason that I have become very weary of the VMC.

Lee

[sstodvictory]

It could be split into a new thread in Hodge Podge from about post #3 onward. I feel sorry for JimBob that his for sale thread got highjacked for this.

Steve