2006 Vegas Jackpot

[Joe H.]

Got my new Cruising Rider magazine and on the back cover is Vegas Jackpot with 100 cubic inch, six speed and 250 rear tire. That thing is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Kingpin:

[RickJ]

Saw a picture of it on the VMC site, and it is hot. The chopper builders better be nervous. Hammer rear tire with a Vegas front end, I think people will be lining up to buy one.

[RayRay]

I posted what Hippo posted on the vmc website in the picture posting forum for you all that don't want to look for it at the vmc site. .

[Joe_WaZoo]

Ya I agree. This is going to be another smokin model. I do like the front tire size, but I also like that great stopping power on the Hammer.

Wow! I am further impressed with the design work Victory is doing.

Joe_WaZoo

[JohnnyIron]

Color Matched Frames! Now we are talking custom! :FoodDrink

I can't wait to see what all you can order on a new Vic!

The new head light (from what you can see) sure looks sweet! Not just a plain round sucker anymore.

[Choirguy]

Just another approach by Victory that I personally wouldn't want to own. I like the look better than the standard Vegas; might be fun to see an 8-ball in the same arrangement.

But, like so many others, I'm waiting to see what Victory can do for individuals like me who want a full-out touring bike. I know...summer 2006, we'll see it, and it will be available in 2007...

At least when I'm up for a new bike (sometime within the next year to year and a half), I'll know what Victory's answer is, and if that's the way I want to go.

My biggest fear is that Victory will come out with something that I don't like, and is significant, because I've said over and over again that my main reason for sticking with Victory at this point is the service at Warner's. I'd hate to have to go to another brand and lose that quality of service.

So here's hoping that Victory's 2007 release of a true touring bike will meet all of our expectations!

[Joe_WaZoo]

Do you really think they will that many of them "Full Dresser" type bikes? I am just not a fan of those models. But I can see that maybe there is a huge market that I must be missing.

What if Victory is trying to win the younger bikers now and then as time progresses they come out with more appropriate type bikes as their customers age?

Just passing on my thoughts.

Joe_WaZoo

[Choirguy]

What I'd say, Joe, is that many of the original "C" owners are at the point, 7 or less years into riding, where they want a full touring bike.

It's not so much a matter of meeting the needs of the "younger riders" who honestly are either going to buy crotch-rockets or H-D (image), as Victory is already catering there. But it's been 4 model years since Victory has done anything to meet the desires of those original owners...and I am not alone in those feelings, I promise you.

The original Victory owners were overall very much heavy-duty riders, many racking up 10-20K in a year...which is 4 times the national average for riding. And although some of the newer owners do this on their Vegas and Kingpin models, for the most part, these new bikes are not truly geared towards the long-haul--they are "run-abouts." And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a different type of bike for a different mentality. Better looking? Probably. Better at what they are designed for? Undoubtedly. But still not the long-tour answer, at least not long-term. You can take a moped on a cross-country journey, but why?

And I'll be totally honest...you can make a C or a TC into a passable distance machine (I've done it), but it still isn't what the bike was made for.

Yes, there's a market there, saturated by the Goldwing and Classic models, and by BMW to a far lesser extent. But these original Victory owners don't want to go that way for an answer, if they can help it...they believe in the "New American Motorcycle," which seems to have left them behind.

So we'll see what happens in 2007.

[Obe-1]

I myself am sad they did away with the Delux Cruiser, not just because I ride one but I like the more traditional cruiser look.

[bassman]

...and I am not alone in those feelings, I promise you.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE :FoodDrink

And I'll be totally honest...you can make a C or a TC into a passable distance machine (I've done it), but it still isn't what the bike was made for.

Yep, me too.

Yes, there's a market there, saturated by the Goldwing and Classic models, and by BMW to a far lesser extent. But these original Victory owners don't want to go that way for an answer, if they can help it...they believe in the "New American Motorcycle," which seems to have left them behind.

So we'll see what happens in 2007.
I've mentioned before, if Victory builds the right tourer combining the good looks of their basically solo, bar hoppping bikes, with the versatility of the TC, they will sell them. At least two from the sound of it. I'd love a semi-faired, hard bagged, better riding version of the Hammer, but it would cost too much to try to set the Hammer up a tourer.

[JohnnyIron]

From what I have heard, the new bagger is very sexy! Not a redone TC, or we would have it already!

I did have the wife out while I was wrenching last week, so she is learning more every day.......but it will take a few years (or decades) to get her up to speed. :floor: (You didn't hear that from me!)

I can wait for perfection rather then buying and fixing a nice lookin bike!

It will be well worth the wait! :Scholar:

[sstodvictory]

From what I've heard, the Victory full dress touring model will be competing more with the BMW full-featured tourer than with cruiser-style touring bikes.

Steve

[Choirguy]

The only concept bike I've seen from Victory was the Visteon tourer, which lacked a top box, and they didn't let you sit in that saddle to see how it was, anyway. I'd say the fairing of the Visteon was more sport-like, and its tank was definately in the current mode of Vegas/Kingpin/Hammer. It's interesting that the Visteon concept bike never surfaced again after its appearance in 2001-2002.

http://www.choirguy.com/sturgis2001/sturgis12.jpg

Just something else to ponder over the next 13 months of waiting for this new bike...

[RayRay]

That is the best picture I have seen of the front of that thing. And it isn't a bad start for the touring model...

[Choirguy]

I wish I had known at the time that the Visteon tank was going to be the basis for the next 6 models of Victory bikes:

Vegas
Kingpin
Ness Vegas
Hammer
Ness Kingpin
Jackpot
and???

I also thought it was funny how they used stock mirrors and V92 floorboards...yet installed a radiator...and it also started with a thumbprint.

You might alse want to see some of these shots and the article from an old Victory magazine...

http://pi54.com/victory/vra/magazinepdfs/vol1iss3part2.pdf

In thinking about the Visteon Concept Bike, it's what started us (in 2001) to expect Victory to have a bagger within a couple of years...the thought that Victory could and would do (and was doing it); and it's probably why it's been so disappointing for those of us waiting for it. Well, again, we'll see in 2007. I wouldn't be surprised though, to hear, "Well, we moved it to 2008."

And there's supposed to be another bike in addition to the Jackpot...perhaps a Ness Hammer? 8-ball-like Kingpin?

[RayRay]

With a few changes (the 100/6 and different floorboards and maybe even keep the radiator) that could be the bagger that I buy.

[BATMAN]

I'm betting that the only "new" bike this year will be the JackPot. (HATE that name) From what I've seen, I really like it. I would imagine there will be some new variations of existing models, like a Ness Hammer, and maybe a blacked out KingPin, or maybe even Hammer. Then again, I'm usually wrong on my guess'es.

BATMAN.

[Choirguy]

Pat,

You're right with the term "new." It all depends on how you look at things, I guess. Harley has 3 families of motorcycles (Balanced Twin Cam, Rubber Mounted Twin Cam and Sportster) that are further broken down into models (i.e. Electra Glide, Dyna, Softail, etc.) and then yet into other models.

Victory extended itself with 3 different engines...92/5 (which became the Freedom in production), and 100/6

And I think you now have 4 different frames...

TC, Vegas, Kingpin, and Hammer

Remember that Victory called the 8 ball a "whole new model" (which I inadvertantly left off my prior list), which I'm willing to accept because H-D does the same thing.

So, let's make a list of the various "models" Victory has had (which sometimes is only different by accessories):

V92C
V92C Special Edition
V92SC
V92C Deluxe
V92TC
V92 Vegas
V92 Kingpin
V92 Ness Vegas
V100 Hammer
V92 Ness Kingpin
V92 Vegas 8-ball
V100 Jackpot

Am I forgetting any model? It's certainly possible. That would make the Jackpot the 12th model by Victory. And even more amazing is that there are (or will be) 8 of the 12 models available at Victory dealers as current production motorcycles.

Not bad for a company putting out less than 4,000 motorcycles a year.

[RickJ]

They also have the Kingpin Deluxe. (kingpin with bags and windsheild)

[RayRay]

Pat,

You're right with the term "new." It all depends on how you look at things, I guess. Harley has 3 families of motorcycles (Balanced Twin Cam, Rubber Mounted Twin Cam and Sportster) that are further broken down into models (i.e. Electra Glide, Dyna, Softail, etc.) and then yet into other models.

Victory extended itself with 3 different engines...92/5 (which became the Freedom in production), and 100/6

And I think you now have 4 different frames...

TC, Vegas, Kingpin, and Hammer

Remember that Victory called the 8 ball a "whole new model" (which I inadvertantly left off my prior list), which I'm willing to accept because H-D does the same thing.

So, let's make a list of the various "models" Victory has had (which sometimes is only different by accessories):

V92C
V92C Special Edition
V92SC
V92C Deluxe
V92TC
V92 Vegas
V92 Kingpin
V92 Ness Vegas
V100 Hammer
V92 Ness Kingpin
V92 Vegas 8-ball
V100 Jackpot

Am I forgetting any model? It's certainly possible. That would make the Jackpot the 12th model by Victory. And even more amazing is that there are (or will be) 8 of the 12 models available at Victory dealers as current production motorcycles.

Not bad for a company putting out less than 4,000 motorcycles a year.
Vegas/Kingpin have the same frame but different forks. Victory only sells 4000 models per year? I was thinking it was more like 10000+ by now...

[Rangerswild]

Son of a B!!!! Well as soon as that head light comes out at the end of July its going on my bike for sure. Aways thought the head light worked great , but was a bit of a weak point as far as creating a custom look (did mount a headwinds on the old V92, but had to loose a lot of the wirng and extras in that aspect). But for sure that light is mine as soon as its relased..........

Going to have to check that fat tire out ................. Dang!!!!! just have to do a heck of a lot of "OT"this winter if it can be fit to my bike I have now!!!!!

I do love the look of that Jack Pot - my style for sure ..........

See yas at Renegades next Wed , hey?

Rangerswild

[JohnnyIron]

And I think you now have 4 different frames...TC, Vegas, Kingpin, and Hammer

The Vegas and the Kingpin have identical frames. If you look in the parts manuals online, you will notice they even use the same part number for them both.

[Thumper]

Let's give our other American company their due... everyone always forgets about the VRod. So that makes 4 "families" or frames for Harley if you don't count the Buels.

I think the "JackPot" is a really nice bike. I believe that the frame is a Hammer frame, narrower than the Vegas/Kingpin frame. I think the headlight, which is rather triangular in nature, will be color-matched (not sure if it's anodized or painted). It's sure a nice change from the big 9" round on the other new-line bikes. And those 2-color tribal flames are a lot nicer than the tribal tatoos on the '02 Hammer (imho)

- Rick

[Choirguy]

Yes, I forgot about the V-Rod.

I'm actually rather disappointed that Harley hasn't modified the liquid-cooled engine for touring duty, although I have seen a V-Rod dressed in a Road Glide's trimmings...it looked rather nice...but the V-Rod in particular is not set-up well (seating and pegs) for distance touring (although it may be the best engine suited for that task).

We'll have lots of pictures on the 22nd...and those of you going to the American Victory Rally will get a chance to see it in person.